Are American bullies pit bulls?

[Gamedogs101]

Are American bullies Pit bulls?

Well that depends on what a pit bull is to you . A pit bull is a type of dog that stems off of the Staffy bull and the American pit bull terrier . The American bully was selectively bred off of American pit bull terriers and also The Amstaff .So to say the American bully isn't a pit bull is like saying the Amstaff isn't one either .

This is why . The Amstaff was bred for a standard look like the American Bully . Both stem off of the American pit bull terrier . Years and generations of selective breeding for a type of dog for look or work can make one breed of dog look so different . So to call one type a pit bull and not the other is being a bit hypercritical .

I have done my own research to find out what the truth is since there is a lot of comments and beliefs in the American bully being a mutt or mix breed or not a breed at all . I have found that this is not true . I know that some may go to pedigrees online and find that some of the American bully pedigrees have a lot of "un known ' dogs in there . But I know why it's because the people who bred these dogs didn't just use American pit bull terriers but used the Amstaff .

Now if you want to call a amstaff and a APBT breeding a mix breed that is fine . But they are both pit bull type dogs . So wouldnt that make the American bully a pit bull type dog as well?

Also what I do not understand is the word function in either breed or when one says that one dog can't do what the breed was bred for . Well that can be swung back on to any APBT breeder of today . How do you know your dogs can do what it was bred for if you can not test or do not test it in that function?

What is pure anyway? Did you know the old school Dogmen also mixed dogs for the pit with breeds like hounds and other terrier type dogs to get harder fighers and better wrestlers for the pit?

Another thing I do question is this . When someone say's those big fat blue dogs don't even LOOK like a APBT . well what does a APBT look like anyway? the APBT was never bred for look nor size is was just bred for a function . So todays dogs are not like the dogs of the past and our dogs are no better then the dogs in the pit bull cluster . No matter what their pedigree says . Most APBT's today are just show dogs anyway so they have become just like the amstaff and the american bully . Their original function is being bred out of them with untested dogs and people breeding show dogs to show dogs so the game is washed out .

Also the stereotypes and name calling . One dont agree with the other pit bull type because those people are whatever the reason is . We can have irresponsible owners in all of our communities . Ive also met and talk to people on all sides of the table who are very much responsible as the next . You can't lump all people into one community as being the same .

So in all the american bully breeders just bred out the terrier in the APBT and bred a shorter stocker bullier looking dog with no terrier drive or less and made them into companions . They didnt want the "game" in their dogs but enjoyed the other things in the breed like their loyalty to their family and etc.

Can there be mix breeding in them? Sure but there was mix breeding in the APBT as well this does not mean that the foundation dogs where mixed this does not mean the breed it's self is mix it just means someone who was breeding cheated to gain the look their wanted. No where does it state that the american bully should be mix or is . The rumors only came along when people started to assume or miss represented themselves


All of the pit bull type of breeds all stem from the same foundation just with breeding different ways for different reasons . You may like one type more then the other and that is your choice to make . But in all the function we all hold so high over the other pit bull type dogs is pretty much useless in the world of today .

No one really can tell if their dog is a true anything and all of us have companion dogs anyway . Or better yet yard ornaments. Just because your dog may be dog aggressive don't mean it still holds the true gameness . Just because your dogs pedigree says one thing don't mean your dog is that either . So in all if you own a Staffy bull APBT Amstaff or a American bully you own a pit bull type dog so be responsible and help out your fellow pit bull lover and stop the hating ! Live is too short for it anyway.

Also you can do your own research as i did and find out for yourself because google is all of our friends

[Suki]

It used to be that a "pit bull" was equated to being either an Am Staff, Staff Bull Terr or the APBT. however it seems today, this term is being used all too frequesntly and it seems like every other dog is a "pitbull"! or some type of pit bull mix. ugh..... too many 'breeds' now encompass this term, so yeah, an Am bullie would now, also, 'fit this bill'. and altho the APBT wasn't bred for look, there is a breed standard that scrupulous breeders still adhere to and dogs that fall outside of that realm, imo, NOT APBT's.

"No one really can tell if their dog is a true anything and all of us have companion dogs anyway . Or better yet yard ornaments".= disagree with this~ too generalized. get a dog off of someone you know AND trust and save yourself the guess work. not ALL owners keep their dogs for companions. and yes, some may keep them as 'yard ornaments'=foolish thing to do, imo. seems to satisfy the owner's need instead of the dog's=high energy breeds NEED to have a job/be worked somehow. and DA and gameness aren't even remotely close to one another. two totally different traits.
"Just because your dogs pedigree says one thing don't mean your dog is that either". true, some papers are hung, but it would be great to think that some men/women still do keep and have honor for their word and what they say you're obtaining, is in fact the real deal. i'd like to think there are still a lot of respectful, true and honest breeders out there.

So, yes, the Am Bullies most likely will stay in the category of being a "pit bull", but that's because in today's times that term has a whole new meaning the 3 breeds it used to be equated with has steadfastly grown to encompass many.
call your dogs as they are: APBT, Am Staff, etc., and avoid the 'confusion'! ;)

[Gamedogs101]

well the american bully is a pit bull because people took pit bulls and amstaffs both pit bull dogs and selective bred for the traits that of the american bully there is no OUT side breed mixed in there . Can there be breeders who do yes but that shouldnt judge the whole breed

saying the american bullie isnt a pit bull is like saying the amstaff isnt a pit bull either .

and no matter how someone is breeding today no matter what lines line breeding etc they are not breeding true to the breed in the APBT . weight pulling and show rings and any other sport is not a job nor is it breeding true to the breed nor will it test dogs gameness after all that is what the breed was bred for in the first place .game to game in the hopes to get dead game dogs.

however with the laws of today you can not find out if your APBT would fit into the original standard . the standard that was set for the breed was only set for dogs who where being tested . you are not getting that any more. you can go to a ADBA or a ADDR show and your APBT can be in the ring with a amstaff american bully and they are all being judge the same and that judge picks what dog he likes the best or that he feels fits the best in that standard how ever in todays world amstaffs who would never make in 5 minutes in a pit are winning over more athletic looking dogs.

pedigrees are only good for house training the pedigree dont make the dog the rule was always the dog made his pedigree .

[Suki]

"and no matter how someone is breeding today no matter what lines line breeding etc they are not breeding true to the breed in the APBT . weight pulling and show rings and any other sport is not a job nor is it breeding true to the breed nor will it test dogs gameness after all that is what the breed was bred for in the first place"

remember: this is the WWW. there are still countries that still can and do legally 'test' dogs! ;)

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also, testing still goes on in our country, as well, felony or not.
so, true breeding DOES still exist. not promoting, but
just sayin', ...

[Gamedogs101]

very few and far between and also today its less about gameness as to just winning breeding hard mouths and good wrestlers its still not the same . We also have people who breed human aggressive dogs in the breed and hide it dont mean the breed it's self is Human aggressive . also you have to question who is testing how they are testing and if they are doing it correctly but thats a whole nother topic

[Suki]

"very few and far between"

The American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA) estimates that roughly 40,000 professional dogfighters are operating in the United States.

that's a large amount and is only a fraction of what they actually DO know about. trust me, it continues...

http://www.browardpalmbeach.com/2010-09-...e-fight/2/
(article from today, actually)

and with REAL doggers it'll ALWAYS be about gameness. granted there are less old timers, but THEIR standards still do prevail. it was and will always be a trait that sets the APBT apart from ALL the others.(and again, like it or not).
"also you have to question who is testing how they are testing and if they are doing it correctly"
i am not here to question who does it or why. irrevalant. i am meerly replying to your response. ;)

back to the Am Bully.....

[Gamedogs101]

You are really go by the ASPCA's numbers on dog fighters? They wouldnt know a dog fighter from a dog breeder for weight pulling they think all pit bulls who are on chain set ups are bred for fighting and then you have the boozos who fight any pit bull or any dog behind their thug holes in the ghetto those are lumped in those numbers and i didnt say dog fighters i said dogmen meaning people who where breeding for gameness do you know most of the bloodlines of today are around not because the dogs who started that line where game but because they won fights being a game dog doesnt mean they won the fight

[Suki]

been into the breed since 86, so yeah, i think i do know some things about 'em.

anyhow, back to the Am Bullies.....

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You are really go by the ASPCA's numbers on dog fighters?

and nope, hence my 3rd sentence. ;)

[Gamedogs101]

not sure how long you have been into the breed has to do with any thing? there is hardly any realy APBT's out there today the ones that are are not going into the average joe's hands . Besides this has nothing to do with american bullies being pit bulls

[Suki]

"do you know most of the bloodlines of today are around not because the dogs who started that line where game but because they won fights being a game dog doesnt mean they won the fight"


"not sure how long you have been into the breed has to do with any thing"?

my reply:
been into the breed since 86 (so, yeah, i know some things)

once again, meerly answering to YOUR replies....

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(09-02-2010 12:54 PM)Suki Wrote:  "do you know most of the bloodlines of today are around not because the dogs who started that line where game but because they won fights being a game dog doesnt mean they won the fight"


"not sure how long you have been into the breed has to do with any thing"?

my reply:
been into the breed since 86 (so, yeah, i know some things)

once again, meerly answering to YOUR replies....

"Besides this has nothing to do with american bullies being pit bulls "
EXactly!!!!! now you're getting it....